cohen wasn't playing by the proper lawyer's handbook here. i don't think that that's really a question at all anymore. >> right. the question is whether or not the president wanted him to do this. and it gets squishy, right? because cohen talks, and i think accurately so, but i don't know how compelling it is to people that he says things without saying them. that doesn't go over well in a court of law. we've all studied, and some of you may have had experience in seeing a lot of rico cases and organized crime cases. that's hard to argue. either the guy told you to do it, or he didn't tell you to do it. that's why the witness tampering statute is written the way it is. you have to have almost a talismanic phrase of, did he or she tell you to lie when you went there, and if you can't show that, it doesn't usually go that far, berit. >> yeah, but i mean, look, there's a reason that criminals don't talk explicitly about crimes with their criminal partners, right? to make it harder for prosecutors later on down the road to prove their case. it can't be the standard that we can't bring cases unless somebody says the magic words, you know, agreeing to commit a