democratic caucus and you heard congressman dean phillips a freshman who is with pelosi and not there yet and agreed with the notion that president trump is basically daring the house democrats to impeach him and this performance today might have been part of that. >> yeah, i think -- i think he makes a good case. that what the president is doing is pushing and goading and pushing because he wants the democrats to be seen as the radical left and being governed not by nancy pelosi but the new members of congress. and so there is pressure on her now, on pelosi from those members and others who will say this is it. but i spoke with a bunch this week who -- >> democratic members of congress? >> democratic house members and i asked the question, where is the red line. we talk about red lines. and one said to me and i thought it was very interesting, the red line is if the president defies the courts, and if the court orders the president and the white house to do something and