socialists and of course he's also going to try to destroy his opponent, whoever that is. it's part of a political strategy. she threatens him, deny him what he wants and refuses to flatter him. that led up to this incident. >> so susan, how much of this fight is about needing a foil here because nancy pelosi is one of the people he pulls out when he needs a foil, you know, rolling up -- royaling up, i should say, his party ahead of the 2020 election. >> absolutely. i think that almost everything trump is doing at this point we should be looking at in a pretty explicitly political context. you know, the congressman is right, the president doesn't really engage in substantive policy debate or discussion and so he's rarely motivated by that in terms of his commentary. he's seen -- you've seen with the mexico trade war he can launch that out there and then it can be gone within a few days so one constant for him is needing not only a set of enemies at any given moment but, you know, a cast of characters