laws and we treat them like the human beings they are. so policies of caging kids or separating families or metering where we have migrants and asylum seekers wait in mexico where they are prey to criminals and to those who would take advantage of the most vulnerable, that cannot be this country. we have to live our values and ensure that our laws reflect our reality and our true interest in this country. >> but just to get a straight answer on it, it sounds to me like you think that the law that makes it a crime to be in this country illegally, it sounds like you think that that should stay the law? >> i think what i'm saying is that in the vast majority of cases, there is no need to incarcerate or to detain migrant families and especially children. but if somebody is attempting to smuggle human beings into the united states, if they are attempting to cross illegal drugs into this country, i want to make sure that we have the legal mechanism necessary to hold them accountable and to