the rage and anger that i immediately felt in that moment, you know, to know that your life can be on a thread like that. it's a fine line, and to them it's just like a snip and that's it. >> there are people who are going to hear you tell that story and go what's the big deal. nothing happened. you know what i mean? why are you so angry? >> yeah. and i think that's the crazy part. i remember telling that story to people and it was like you see a scary movie and the killer is toying with his victim, twisting the knife around as he has the victim gagged. imagine having somebody who has a weapon right in front of you and they are toying with the very thing that has been responsible for the newt tralization in peoples' lives. if you don't see the fear in that, i don't know what to tell you. >> one white lady asked me do you get tired of having these conversations as a black man? you know what?