our cultural norms have changed. biden for his part is obviously sort of harkening back to this time when he says there was more civility in congress, when he could even work with segregationist senators and get things done. but there are folks in the party now who say and think, the year of 2019. and that tone doesn't work for me. and that tone doesn't really fit with the times we're in right now. >> we should point out, david, the former vice president does have support here, right? we're hearing from members of the congressional black caucus. we're hearing from the white house majority w.h.i.p. who is about to host a whole lot of democrats in south carolina. >> yeah, jim clyburn who you're referring to in south carolina said he spent a big chunk of his career working with strom thurmond to get things done. and you don't have to agree with people to work with them.