them. >> at times to cut through the clulter and that irritating moment, you know, it's always irtatsing when everybody speaks over each other, and that there was a lot of that early on. kamala harris sort of took that moment and made it work for her. >> she did. i think it helps to be a really good prosecutor in this circumstance, and she knows how to get to the point. and she did. i do think it was risky with joe biden, but for the life of me i can't figure out what joe biden's strategy was during this debate. shouldn't he have been prepared? >> right. >> that someone was going to talk about his praise for senator eastland and segregationists that he worked with in the senate? instead, he came out and said, that's not what i said. that's not what i said. it was the same old, same old. so i think that he was kind of fuzzy, and she was sharp. she knew exactly where she wanted to go. she knew how to do it and when, you know, to your point, when to come in. and i think that he was sort of