against anybody els. they let go back time and time again to what they say are sterling examples of him furthering civil rights for people all across america. and when it came to that busing issue particularly, his deputy campaign manager saying, look, when it comes to that, we go back to the '70s. leaders in delaware were telling him at the time that busing was not the best way to integrate schools. they were trying to give that some context. there was also some back and forth with biden and harris about where the federal government should step in those cases. what are state rights or local rights in the cases. as for biden going forward as you mentioned we're going to see him in chicago this afternoon speaking at the reverend jessie jackson's event there. we'll see if he has anything to say on this. we haven't been given any endication one way or another. so we're going to have to wait and see what he says this