the other interesting thing in the debate will be you saw castro went after beto o'rourke. you saw kamala went after biden. and they both moved in the polls. so my guesstimate is for all of the other candidates who will be on that debate stage in july, they are going to be very aggressive. we are now getting to the point where these candidates if they cannot show momentum, they cannot raise any money and their campaign will be doomed. we're really getting to the point that they have got to really differentiate themselves in the upcoming debate. the money is a big piece. the july 15th numbers will be important, but the debate in july for many of them is going to be do or die for many of these campaigns. >> well, governor, there is also this. 43% of democratic voters say that biden has the best chance to beat president trump. 30% ahead of his nearest competitor. so are voters going to stick to this electability question when they're casting their vote in a primary? that word must haunt people all the time, electability. what does it mean for the american people? >> the biggest thing for democrats out there today is who can beat donald trump.