proving if you'll be better than what we have in the white house. if busing didn't work, then it made sense that you weren't for it back then. why not say that you were for it? >> i was for voluntary busing, number one. i was for busing where the court showed that, in fact, a legislative body took an action preventing black folks from going to a school. that is i know you know, the seg regaegz. the difficult piece is this is 50 years ago and people don't understand the context. the third one is do you have an administration through the non-elected officials that decide every school should be equally balanced across the bored. that's a different issue. and the way to deal with that problem is the way i did from when i was a kid. i got out of law school and came back and became a public defender. i fought for putting housing and low-income housing in sub burr.