>> first off rarely among politicians they're actual friends in real life. that shouldn't get in the way of a good fight. but i don't think it's in their interests to do that. i think bernie sanders is just champing at the bit to go after joe biden. even though joe won't be there. it won't be as effective. but on the trail he's more and more picking on joe. the one i'm really looking forward to is mayor pete. he has kind of stalled. he raised a pile of money. i think in the last debate he was a little flat. he's had to go home for an officer-involved shooting. he's had real controversies in the city of south bend. so he's going to have to really step up on night one. >> he has an opportunity to differentiate himself from the left side of the party if he wants to. if he wants to create space there between sanders and warren, he could. >> and he has two needs. create some space and to get in the game with people of color. okay? i don't have a preference in