argument, but it's not the power located in that statute. that's why this show and many others argued against the president's exercise of that statute as an emergency declaration. because the border and needing a fence ain't an emergency declaration. that statute had a specific purpose in taking the purse strings away from congress. i don't know how this fits. >> chris, in this case, i completely agree with you president trump was completely out of line in trying to use emergency powers for the border. but in terms of the climate crisis, we can see the damage it's doing. we can see the damage that it's going to do, the absolute threat to our country. and we've got to turn the page on this conversation from talk and inaction to immediate action. >> i don't disagree. >> it has to happen and that's what i'm doing by declaring a state of emergency on day one. >> that's where we disagree. i'll tell you why, tom. i get the first part, that you need to be a persuader in chief. you need to form consensus, and that has to motivate congress to satisfy the appetite for different and change on the part of their constituents.