that's help manager afford a student loan payment? >> what was your degree in? >> business administration. >> you didn't go for pioetry. you went for the kind of degree that parents are like, yeah, that's the one. >> yeah. i was thinking bank or finance. but now i'm back in school for cyber secure. i'm hoping i can get a higher paying job so i can afford my student loans and be able to provide for my wife and son. >> let's talk higher education. while politicians and pundits freak out about the idea of free college, they are ignoring the fact that up until 1970s, america had many free or practically free colleges. but that changed in large part because we felt it was way better to jail people than educate them. from 1980, college tuition went up 260%. >> you will hear people saying,