and i ask because today would have been tamir rice's 19th birthday. he was shot dead, just to remind everyone, 12 years old. shot dead in a park by two officers, who have never faced justice for that. that's according to tamir rice's family that continues to fight for justice in this. mo, what do you think? is it a pivotal point, after everything? the reckoning that has been happening and the black lives matter movement and so many people wondering what does it take for things to change? >> i don't think it changes the trajectory. there is nothing, legislatively, which would prevent or even punish somebody more severely if this were to happen again. and let's not forget, it was a confluence of events. you needed citizen video of more than nine minutes. you needed other officers, even a police chief, to testify against derek chauvin. you needed to have, unfortunately, civil unrest for even derek chauvin and the other officers to be charged. so it was, what i call, an