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martha: why is that idea -- does that idea fall on deaf ears with the administration and most democrats, maria? >> well, i think a couple of reasons, first of all, because i know the republicans like to argue that the tax cuts for the top income earners will affect small businesses and that is not true. 99% of small businesses do not fall into the top -- >> that is not true, actually, in fact half of the -- wait, hold on, i'll call you on that, half of the people who make over $250,000 a year in this country are running a small business. half of them, this notion that it will not make a difference, and if you talk with small business owners across the country, which i do any ever i get the chance to, they'll tell you, i'm not hiring, i'm worried about health care and this -- why not pull the brakes off of them and help them out. >> i talk to a lot of small businesses, too, and so have democrats and the president and in fact they've all said they make less than $250,000, and their priority is to make sure

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