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had been in effect, you can't go within a thousand feet of a congressman if you had a gun. jared lee loughner wasn't going to obey that. >> i completely agree with that point, because he was unstable. where we disagree is that for jonas to say that there is no effect of all this anti-government rhetoric and speech does not somehow mobilize people, unsable people to do these things. megyn: did it do that in this case? do you have any evidence that it did that in this case, nancy? >> there are lots of cases that -- megyn: no, did it do that in this case? >> the authorities think that he was -- a lot of his political philosophy was anti-government. a lot of it was garbled. megyn: no, you're not stating the facts correctly, because i asked the sheriff himself, who is the one who got this all started with that accusation, do you have any facts, any evidence that would suggest that jared lee loughner was a consumer of

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