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gaddafi to justice. whether that's the international criminal court or whether it's a federal district court in the united states. this is something that we cannot just ignore. i know no one wants to talk about it, but as secretary clinton said, that gaddafi is someone that the international community cannot deal with. and so, this is a game where we have to win. >> uma: so, that means regime change and if we do have that regime change, then, who will the world community be dealing with when and if he leaves? the fact that we have opposition forces there on the ground hoping to make a major difference in the future of libya, we still don't know who some of the major players are. >> well, there is a national transition council that was formed about two weeks ago. the french have recognized it. and clearly, they do not control the territory of libya and probably are not the legitimate government of libya, but nonetheless, as secretary clinton said during her news conference, that we are in contact hourly with the

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