studying evaluation and studying what teachers want and studying what good evaluation practices are, and the consensus among academics, among teachers is value added is not ready for prime time, it's a distraction from the real issues that are going on within los angeles. you mentioned 5000 layoffs, and you know, dr. deasy wants to push value-added is an example of the fact that he's tone deaf to the real needs of what's going on in -- >> martha: you know what? the one thing i think we can all agree on is this system is very badly broken and it needs to be changed and we can argue all day about the system to do it but we've got to figure out something to help our kids. >> martha, kids are -- to the last point, there is nothing tone deaf about working with trying to save teemps and having a good measure to determine what is effective teaching and what is not. the traggesty is we currently have to let teachers go because -- >> spending $1 billion on a system that hasn't even been negotiated is a waste of tile and is a distraction.