and 1 1/2 billion is the number that strikes me as radical. to charles payne, gerri willis, adam lashinsky and charles, what do you say? >> radical, radical, yeah, 1.5 trillion, that's a radical number and 14 trillion, that's a radical number, too, how about 45 million people on food stamps, that's pretty radical. stu, this is the real deal. what would be radical, the politician standing up and having the guts to say, we've got to drill this back in. not attacking wealth creators while the masses go begging. that's what's radical and i don't understand why everyone doesn't see that at this point. >> charles for a second i thought you were going to say drill, baby drill right there. and we'll leave that for later. gerri willis, what do you say? >> i say that the government is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar it spends and i say that's radical and crazy and the country has a spending problem, not a taxation problem. 4 #% of all of our revenues are actually going to these