and there has been a murder and guns connected to the murder of that border agent. and the fact that we have laws in this country that say guns are supposed to be sold according to the law. this was the government promoting the illegal sale of guns through third parties to get them across the border and the federal government ought to be in the business of abiding by the laws, not, not violating the laws. so who is responsible for our violating the laws, that person ought to be held responsible and quite frankly ought to be fired and maybe even further. jenna: how high, how high do you think it goes? >> well i don't know but because of mr. melson's testimony, for the first time we've learned a couple things that we didn't know before. number one, the fbi and the drug enforcement people are involved in this as well as atf people and we --. jenna: senator, sorry to interrupt, really quick here on that with the fbi being involved, we told our