expanded wic. i don't think republicans made issue of wic. here is the issue. you keep want to grow it. you have want to grow it not to help people but as a form of economic stimulus, because you believe it will get the economy back on track. that is wrong. >> eric: let me bring it around. speaking of growing it. under president bush, dana, the average, full year averages, 23.6 million americans per year. at a cost of $28.1 billion on food stamps. referring to newt gingrich's comments. under president obama that number skyrocketed to 39.4 million americans at a cost of $65.7 billion. with the last year of record, approaching $76 billion. he is right. wow! it's exploded. >> dana: i think that you have to go back and look at the law and the formula under which you can apply and get food stamps. i don't think, i don't remember the bush administration changing that. maybe there was a change. i do remember that like the