>> right. what he is really trying to do is to divide the country and to get his people to turn out to vote. there are two models for democratic models. mine and james carville's. carville's energize the base. get your george stephanopoulos. energize the base. get them to turn out. mine was always move to the center and get the swing voter to come. and the problem with the first strategy is once you start to do it, you have to do it because you have already alienated the swing voters. you don't have everybody in the midsol you need higher turn-out. >> sean: if newt and rick santorum, i had rick santorum on my radio show today. it asked him, you know, there has been talk about them teaming up as a team. to "stop romney." if that happens, could it be effective? >> no. the gallup poll asked those