>> we're talking about having -- sit down and have a comprehensive discussion about cross state lines to sell insurance, about the idea that somehow you can lower the costs of tort reforms. stwl >> those were all the things that they've asked for. president obama is the one who shut down the government to prevent it. >> by the way, i'll tell you why it's a failure. it is incred reply unpopular among americans. not unpopular among the media, and that's the issue. you chose not to read it. >> exactly. >> the disadvantage of being a conservative. you can never actually offer an alternative program because you believe in the market over the government. and then you leftists say, oh, the market isn't a solution. you naed to have a program. but no program works. if you look at the three areas where there are government programs, whether it's health care, retirement or education, they are oozing sores in america. >> ew. >> they don't work. >> and so is capitalism. >> capitalism -- >> the lehman brothers thing should have been brought up because not one of those punks went to jail. they should have. and they did more damage to this