monuments shouldn't be open. open to americans, open to veterans. the only reason either being greeted with barricades is because the senate right now refuses to negotiate. >> the fact is, you know, when you shut down the government, you shut down a lot of services. you lay off a lot of people. and there are bad consequences to that. >> carney has become such a hack. while the white house won't admit it the president and senate democrats refusal to negotiate is the reason the world war ii memorial is closed this hour. despite what mr. carney said today the consequences of a government shutdown should not include the suspension of your constitutional rights which is why my next guest is threatening to take legal action if this site is not re-opened to the public asap. joining me with more is the man himself jay secular and penny lee.