i'm not suggesting we not spy. nobody would say that. you can't spy on 300 million americans to capture a half dozen. you have to limit it to target the individuals you want. the concept of them seizing all of our e-mails and texts and our phone calls will change the way we live. >> sure. i mean, when you think about gathering of evidence after someone has been accused of something, it's being gathered beforehand. also, is this happening at the local level as well? >> unfortunately, it is. the local are imitating feds. local have gone to telecoms saying we want a tower dump. provide us all the information from a given tower. some of the telecoms are saying yes, some no. then they go to a judge to ask. some are saying yes, some no. then then bought their own $400,000 device that they put on the side of the road mimics the cell tower and collects every phone call that goes by. >> the only thing i say about people changing bee mafr when the cameras are on. it's not the case with the
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