immunity and get her friends off. i know the woman very well, i don't agree to that at all. i truly believe that bernadine had something to do with it, ayers -- >> well, a lot of people have ideas, i want to ask you richard before you go. the reports that i read, and i read a lot said that the fbi had been investigating these folks and had illegally sur veiled them in wiretaps that were not useable in a court of law, that was not necessarily the only piece, but a major piece. >> that goes back, to i believe, even before we got into these cells, the code name of the case that willy and i were working on was the weather thug case, which was weatherman fugitive. all we were trying to do is locate them, get them arrested and get them off the streets before they could continue placing more bombs and hurting more people. i think what you're talking