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in. but the reality is that we were never terrorists and he does call us terrorist s and that's not true. terrorism is force and coercion intended to spread terror and panic. we never killed anyone, we did noisy loud very open destruction of property at a time when 6,000 people a week were being murdered by our government. 6,000 a week. >> that's what you were objecting to? >> objecting? >> we're going to talk about that in second segment. but that's what professor ayers believes, like many other radicals in our country's history the ends does justify the means. what recourse do you have but to push the envelope and in some circumstances break the law. >> well, first of all there was a big difference between martin luther king breaking the law,

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