about it. >> really? >> yeah. >> and what do you tell them? >> i tell them that i think if we get people of the caliber of jeb bush and myth romney and chris christie, i have complete confidence the debates will be about issues, there won't be personal attacks, the scathing behavior that existed. >> why did you leave rand paul and ted cruz out of that? >> i don't think they can make the cut. >> rand paul leads a lot. >> i want you to know i'm agnostic about one thing, when we get to the general election i want somebody to win. >> you don't think those two guys -- >> i don't think those two guys can win. >> the fact that rand paul leads in some polls it's not convincing enough to you? >> no. do you realize in the last campaign, one time kaine was the leader, bachmann was the leader. >> absolutely. >> come on. >> but all the guys you're looking at are all what they call rhinos. >> i guess i'm a rhino too then,
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