they can blame nypd and gangs as we talked about earlier, but this is the failure of the mayor of the city of new york. period. >> where do we go from here and remedy this situation? how do we allow the commissioner and the mayor to work well together? >> i don't think it's going to happen. i think we are beyond that now. we're talking about death. >> something has to happen, this is going to get out of control and get worse and worse. >> perhaps the governor or someone at a higher level has to step in. and i would not recommend eric holder or the president of the united states because they have a bit to blame in this situation, too. but the governor's office perhaps should get involved to bring someone in that can actually control the situation. >> you said you do think de blasio should step down at the beginning of the interview. but then you said you think bratton will step down, too. but how will that affect the police officers? >> it would be devastating, but bill brotton is a cop's cop. he's a great commissioner, but his boss is the mayor. how long do you think bill br
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