they received for pakistan. the journal says if the cia was held to that standard as an imminent threat to the u.s. they may not have carried out the strike that killed two hostages. defenders of the program say the exemption was granted because we had troops in neighboring afghanistan. that rule still requires -- the rules still require a near certainty that that civilians were hurt. they didn't change that. all right matt. i'm steeling myself you you cia basher, you. what do you think? >> do you think the near certainty standard will ever not be big enough to drive an entire fleet of trucks through? like in terms of a loophole? in terms of what people -- >> oh i turned around to make me answer the question. >> you will never get the risk down to zero. >> you will get to a certain point where it is risk versus