the russians, how long it took them to figure out that they were the ones who hacked into sony pictures? >> yeah, sony pictures. >> and the chinese have been accused of doing this for industrial espionage. so if it all goes down, if they succeed in hacking us in a cyber attack on the nation. then our cell phones don't work, right? >> that's the easiest part, bill. your electricity doesn't work. your lights don't work. your refrigeration. >> it's all computerized now. >> well, it's all on the electric grid. if the electric grid comes down, everything in the city like new york, that runs on electricity, which is just about everything is down. >> all right. so then we have zombie apock lipsz. people looting. you remember what happen what happened in the 70's. do you foresee that happening? >> it is entirely possible the only people who can stop it from happening, the military. >> the military would have to be called in and all of that? >> that's exactly right.