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as they unfolded last night, one of the things i think we can take away from this tragedy is that there are really three different events. there is the load in, the event, then there is the egress or the exit. i think a lot of times, security providers predominantly focused on the load in, so the front end of this where they will have stand off distances, appropriate parameters, screen vehicles, screen people, have explosive amtrak and canine dogs, things of that nature but after that sometimes there is not as great to focus on ensuring you have a safety zone to release people into. i remember when i was with the nfl, candlestick park was open, we had some issues in the parking area, and we made some changes with the police. what we did was swept the parking lot, so at kickoff, you had to have a ticket to go inside or you had to leave the area. at the end of the game, the fans were released into an area that was much safer. >> julie: should there have been a wider perimeter?

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