rams and they nil and after the game they asked him why did you do that in said we wanted to be together and we wanted to show ourselves as unified and do something together that shows our community spirit and i thought jerry, you don't have a sense of self reference or self-knowledge or irony to you because that's what the answer is. that is why we all stand for the anthem and put our hands over the anthem. that is the sense of community in the sense of unity so you denigrated the country and then try to create some other sense of community that didn't need to be created in the first place. >> let's not forget, though, what sparked this latest expanded wave which was the president of the united states calling black athletes who were kneeling as obese so i think it makes sense that jerry jones felt that his players were under attack and there was a need to show -- [inaudible conversations] >> but there's another side to that. when the kneeling started with mr. kapnick there were few players that were kneeling and we only saw this wave as a result to president trump. i'm not sure, right, i thought it was inappropriate and i disagree with that but i don't