is so tilted toward small rural underpopulated states. we have the north dakota has 600,000 people, that's as many as on my block. but they get as many votes as california or new york does. besides that, they have this new rule they've come up with, that everything takes 60 votes, that you can't get the third deputy secretary of agriculture confirmed without 60 votes, it's completely nuts. >> we've been struggling on this show on how to talk about the filibuster problem. it's a boring sounding concept, and we're trying to come up with a way to communicate how important it is, and that is memorable. i'm finding, though, it's being talked about more and more. do you find it's getting through? >> yes, it is. nobody really understands it, but there's a sense out there that there's something bad that's going on in the senate, and it's weird. and it's not like mr. smith went
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