actually today there are still over 1 million disqualifying mental health records missing from the background check system that the brady law enacted. and we don't apply that check on every gun sale. private sellers are not required to run background checks. you can go into gun shows, buy gups from people just by giving people money. >> and you went -- you wanted to prove this yourself, and you went and had no background checks, and then turned in these guns. >> i found out the guys not running background checks were charging a little more than a dealer was with a check. because as one guy explained to me, there's no tax, no paperwork, that's got to be worth something. for people that want to go around the background check, that's worth a lot. >> ron, your own position on gun control, has it evolved over the years? after that shooting, did you find yourself, this is what i want to do? where are you on this position now, where have you been? >> i don't know that my position has evolved so much. i was always pro-gun control even before the shooting when my
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