clearly are now in control of the republican party, tamron. that is the most important political fact today. and many of those tea partiers really would not mind not only a shut down of the government, they really would not mind if the full faith and credit of the united states was jeopardized in terms of not lifting the ceiling on the debt. >> of course they wouldn't mind. if it turns into some of the concerns we have heard from some of our nation's best minds and most successful business leaders who are saying, ben bernanke and the others are saying this would have a surely detrimental affect on our economy. >> we believe that, but the tea partiers are so adamantly opposed to any increase in the debt, they are so adamantly opposed to government as a whole, that many of them would say and are saying right now, so, big deal. when you're in a game of chicken, tamron, with people who really fundamentally don't care about their car exploding, you know, you're at a competitive