-- >> they're saving it for november. >> no, no. the president will say if there's a deal out there, let's do it, but the deal has to be reasonable. the deal has to include taxes. what's unreasonable -- >> in other words, don't let it be dead on arrival. let the republican sit out there, sit out there as the basis for a compromise. >> if you are serious -- รง >> is that smart? >> they are smart enough to play that game but they're going to say if you are serious about deficits, you cannot leave taxes off the table. >> will that ever sell? >> will the congress ever adopt a combination of some modification or cost cutting, which we know has to come to place, somehow squeeze the medical costs and a tax increase for people that can afford it as a more democratic, a more fair way to deal with this problem? will they get that through and signed by the president or is that just a posture? >> i think it's a possibility but they'll be glad to talk about it for the next few months. the one thing the president doesn't want to do is talk about tax increases in isolation. >> fair enough. i'm with you. >> as richard was saying, that