there could be members of the government at low levels who are doing it. that doesn't mean islamabad was on top of it all. to mike's point, mother lode here is yeah, there is threat information and high value targets. ream opportunity is down the road. understanding this mosaic of how the al qaeda network operates. putting pieces together. and then painting a picture we can proactively go after the network. ways we couldn't before. that's where the real intelligence value is of this. >> you guys in -- you construct like these walls, suspects, put them along the wall, like -- they did in the mob. they would show the different families lined up and where they met. >> absolutely. >> you draw those boards? >> yes. mike and i will remember this. when we were in the government together the cia would bring link analysis charts in to us. when i was at that time white house. with names and photos of people. we tried to understand the interrelationships. there was a lot of unknown and