with everything not only what he said, what the pastor of the church he used to go to said. we had to deal with anybody that ever went to their house said. now all of a sudden this is sillyness, this is a joke. >> excuse me, reverend, look -- >> who would governor perry saying that -- >> excuse me -- >> they call that a double stud, mr. steele. >> you clearly don't know what i said about thatรง at that time. i thought that that conversation was silly. so i'm at least bess consistent in terms of what i view -- >> it wasn't silly. it was sinister. >> well, that's your characterization. my characterization is that it's silly. >> they have gone after this president's character every step of the way. >> yeah, he's such a victim. >> saying you disagree with him on policy, but you credit -- >> the same thing happens the other way. >> i think -- >> such a victim. >> i think you'll have to deal with the fact, mr. steele, that some people will raise questions