innovation. so this is not a hypothetical. what in the past decade has produced observably amazingly technological innovation you can measure in leaps and bounds, unimaginable innovation in manufacturing in the united states of america? what has produced that in the last decade is you. specifically your money. hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer money, public investment. and the fact that it is all for fighting wars, of course, really changes the politics around it. are there lessons to be learned for building ourselves out of the economic disaster we're in from the way that we became a country that could build this guy? joining us now is a man who knows a thing or two about high-tech, the nuclear physicist who beat ibm's computer at jeopardy, congressman holt of new jersey. >> it's good to be with you. >> do you think there's a lesson to be learned from the leaps and bounds we have experienced in military tech over the last ten years fighting these two years
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