founding of the country and its ideals. in that sense, the king memorial fits into that continuum because it is a memorial to this idea of justice. of justice for all. regardless of color. in that sense, i think it took time perhaps for that idea to become as cemented enough in the american consciousness and the american way of life so that we could have this memorial. >> i know. i think about the man and certainly the memorial being appropriate to him. but to pick up on your point about soldiers, he was a soldier. this was a fight. this was a battle that he was in 24/7, an uphill one. the end of which by many people's accounts has yet to be resolved. >> sure. i mean, he said that when he was to be remembered, he wanted to be remembered not for his nobel prizes or for his