of grover norquist. that's the fundamental point on the republican side. the president did not start out with the plan for recovery, started out with a gimmick called stimulus, one or two years and that was it, that's the problem on both sides. >> jeff, you had another long night at the 24-hour kinkos. you got the chart? we've got kara and kate holding the charts. nonsecurity discretionary budget. what do you want to tell us? >> that the underlying problem is that we're not paying for our government anymore. what we call this nondiscretionary, or nonsecurity discretionary -- that's everything the government does for goods and services in this country. it's job training, education, it's environment. it's space, it's science. okay, that long, long, long, long list of things that we need government for, then if you look at this other graph, the lines, this is the shocking thing.