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needs to be mindful of the fact that there are a lot of things at work here, a lot of interests that go beyond, you know, the historic nature of his campaign. >> do you think there's an ethnic aspect to this? >> no, i don't think it's so much that, chris. you know, i'm sure you can peel that onion and start to cry at some point, but i think, you know, just at the surface level, no, i don't think that that's the motivation here. a lot of folks like the idea that, you know, you have an african-american of his qualifications and caliber running for the nomination of the party. but then it gets to a point where there are, like i said, other interests that come into play. and those tend to take over. it has very little to do with race. >> let me go back to what looks to be the front running situation. shrummy, you and i have watched this game for 50 years -- well, i think it is getting on 50. >> almost. >> certainly since we were kids, we've watched this. i have never seen a warp speed politics like this in my life. i get chills. it's moving so darne fast, so damned fast right now.

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