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at least for a while, at least come up with some other reason to leave the campaign besides the charge of infidelity? >> i think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying there, chris. no one wants to go out that way.{ no one wants to go out of a campaign like this, and an historic one, quite frankly, the first african-american to pursue the republican nomination for president, the way he has or with the success he has. so i think right now, this reassessment that he's going through is taking that into consideration. certainly the conversation with gloria, his wife, is paramount, very important. not just the phone messages, but the face to face is going to really be more telling than anything else coming out of that. whether or not he goes forward. and i think, ultimately, looking at this thing from a political strategy standpoint, there's no really incentive for him to get out right now. as you've already talked about and as bob knows, the dynamics on the republican side are such that you don't need to have a lot of cash to stay in this thing, you don't need to have a lot of that momentum because of the ebb and flow. so i think he can wade through
and someone they want is someone with big ideas, they'll probably look to newt. as of right now, i'm a fan of both, but i think given the dynamics, i think rom any's still in the driver's seat. >> steve mcmahon, you're looking at this across the aisle, steve. i see newt coming up, and i see him coming up, because he will punch the president in the face. he'll be much more aggressive in a debate. he'll be snarky, obnoxious. he'll be offensive, but he will put on a better show if you want a real fighter, a gladiator, than romney, who looks like a gentleman compared to gingrich. steve? >> yeah, he looks like a ken doll.ç and you're absolutely right, chris. newt gingrich, you know, he's famous for his hyperbolic rhetoric, bold, radical, transformational change. you can see from the polling data and see this for a long time now, the primary republican electorate isn't warming to mitt romney. he's been at 23, 24, 25 consistently. and now the next alternative to
chris, i think that cable television has actually brought somebody back from the dead. which is really what's happening with newt gingrich here. it's been a remarkable transformation, and it's been solely on the power of his debate performance. he's been very, very effective in the debates. i don't agree with what he's saying, but the republican base sure likes it. and you can see it in his numbers today. >> well, i'd have to say that resurrection has never looked so unappealing. anyway, thank you very much steve mcmahon and todd harris. harris, you just love this stuff. up next, michele bachmann's latest gaffe is a real head-scratcher. how does bachmann, who sits on the intelligence committee, not know a crucial fact about our relationship with iran? stick around for the sideshow, where she belongs. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. we're america's natural gas and here's what we did today: supported nearly 3 million steady jobs across our country... ... scientists, technicians, engineers, machinists... ... adding nearly 400 billion dollars to our economy... we're at work providing power to almost a quarter of our homes and businesses... ... and giving us cleaner rides to work and school... and tomorrow, we could do even more. cleaner, domestic, abundant and creating jobs now.
dynamics, i think rom any's still in the driver's seat. >> steve mcmahon, you're looking at this across the aisle, steveb i see newt coming up, and i see him coming up, because he will punch the president in the face. he'll be much more aggressive in a debate. he'll be snarky, obnoxious. he'll be offensive, but he will put on a better show if you want a real fighter, a gladiator, than romney, who looks like a gentleman compared to gingrich. steve? >> yeah, he looks like a ken doll.{ and you're absolutely right, chris. newt gingrich, you know, he's famous for his hyperbolic rhetoric, bold, radical, transformational change. you can see from the polling data and see this for a long time now, the primary republican electorate isn't warming to mitt romney. he's been at 23, 24, 25 consistently. ç and now the next alternative to romney, newt gingrich, who's a true conservative, who has won before, who the republicans know and like, i think he won't wear well, but he's wearing well
momentum and eventually stop herman cain in his tracks. >> wait a minute. you believe it's another candidate involved in this? >> i don't know if it's necessarily -- it doesn't necessarily mean it's another candidate. i mean, there are operatives in the gop beyond a political campaign who may have other interests and other designs in place. in fact, i know that footprint very well, because it was placed on my backside more than once. so i'm more than familiar with the handiwork here, and i've expressed that personally to herman. and i think that, you know, he needs to be mindful of the fact that there are a lot of things at work here, a lot of interests that go beyond, you know, the historic nature of his campaign. >> do you think there's an ethnic aspect to this? >> no, i don't think it's so much that, chris. you know, i'm sure you can peel that onion and start to cry at some point, but i think, you know, just at the surface level, no, i don't think that that's the motivation here. a lot of folks like the idea that, you know, you have an african-american of his qualifications and caliber
needs to be mindful of the fact that there are a lot of things at work here, a lot of interests that go beyond, you know, the historic nature of his campaign. >> do you think there's an ethnic aspect to this? >> no, i don't think it's so much that, chris. you know, i'm sure you can peel that onion and start to cry at some point, but i think, you know, just at the surface level, no, i don't think that that's the motivation here. a lot of folks like the idea that, you know, you have an african-american of his qualifications and caliber running for the nomination of the party. but then it gets to a point where there are, like i said, other interests that come into play. and those tend to take over. it has very little to do with race. >> let me go back to what looks to be the front running situation. shrummy, you and i have watched this game for 50 years -- well, i think it is getting on 50. >> almost. >> certainly since we were kids, we've watched this. i have never seen a warp speed politics like this in my life. i get chills. it's moving so darne fast, so damned fast right now.
bob shrum as well, a strategist. michael steele, you're close to these guys, you're a republican. and i just wonder, from a personal sense, it seems to me there's absolutely no gain to this fellow, that i like. if he throws in the towel now, he is basically saying, for the history books, you got me. i cheated on my wife, i'm not a good guy. i'm not only a bad candidate, i'm a bad guy, a bad husband. doesn't he have to stick it out, at least for a while, at least come up with some other reason to leave the campaign besides the charge of infidelity? >> i think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying there, chris. no one wants to go out that wayç no one wants to go out of a campaign like this, and an historic one, quite frankly, the first african-american to pursue the republican nomination for president, the way he has or with the success he has. so i think right now, this reassessment that he's going through is taking that into consideration. certainly the conversation with gloria, his wife, is paramount,
all these issues seemed very, very small in comparison to the big questions that we're talking about right now. >> your thoughts, steve? the same thing? same assumption? it's the big issues as well as the big screen, the big tube? >> well, it's the big issues, but it is a big screen. and i was there during the dean campaign when cable television, after he gave his iowa victory speech, played that 700 times in the next week, and there was a 20-point lead in new hampshire that evaporated almost overnight. >> it is scream speech? >> -- over time with the swift vote. john kerry saw it with the swift boats in 2004. and rick perry can tell you all about how one moment in a debate{ on television repeated 150 or 200 or 500 times can take your campaign down, because it's taken his down. this is the first time, though, chris, i think that cable television has actually brought somebody back from the dead. which is really what's happening with newt gingrich here. it's been a remarkable transformation, and it's been solely on the power of his debate performance.
this country, on right at least, so angry, so confused that they can't think? >> no, i think the people on the right are thinking. they look at romney, they're suspicious of romney, they're not sure he means what he says. they don't want to trust him with the presidency. and in politics, timing, as you know, chris, is everything. and the timing worked out for newt. everyone else got their audition. newt didn't get his, because he got in trouble months ago for saying the paul ryan medicare plan was right-wing social engineering. he got put off to the side. and he was the last guy standing after a series of very good debate performances, who was a plausible nominee, and the support is all flowing to him, and you're seeing christian evangelicals move toward him. and he's saying to them, look, i did some bad things in the past. i did some things i regret. >> okay, great. >> i'm sorry for them. and i think newt has a real chance in this, although i still kind of think in the end, the republican establisjm9qj5y going to try to push romney across the finish line.