the whole standoff with the supreme court, but he was a great retail campaigner. romney is not. obama is not. the strength of obama going back in 2008 was what was projected on to him by the left. and now you have a lot of people on the the left who were disappointed. if it's romney and obama, these are not classically great campaigners. they're going to have to have other attributes. >> and they don't seem like they like politics, but they think they would be good at it. >> and i would say i think the president is a much better retail campaigner than i think governor romney is. i think the president does have an ability particularly when he gets in front of crowds to really prove his point and to really convert people. i think the argument can be made, though, as the crowds get smaller, does that become less potent. but i think the other thing to remember about it, when you look at core structure, why this becomes important, we weren't talking about this in july and
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