patient and not the church. that's all they want. i hope. >> they spent a lot more time studying these issues. there's this hawaii model that seems to kind of thread that needle so that people feel like religion is respected but the rights of women are also considered. >> let's talk about how it happened. the former governor of kansas, a politician as much as anybody. hardly a liberal. she's not from the west side of new york. she apparently had the support from the president. this got broadened into a discussion with pelosi and women's rights groups. why did it become such a big issue? it's only a small group of people compared to the larger group of women. why did this become a national discussion all l these months? >> i don't know. >> why is everybody involved in