family that had some wealth in the past, but no big -- he wasn't a rich guy by inheritance. >> but in terms of the public caricaturing. but i think for romney, he has this problem where he's gone so far to the right, in the republican primary, and he's still having his feet held to the fire by his base, he can't actually change where his policy positions are, so instead, he just has to invoke bill clinton, so that hopefully people will get some sort of warm, fuzzy, centrist feeling from him, even though his policies are veryfar away. >> richard, i want you to use your x-ray vision. you've been out there on the campaign trail many times, and you've studied candidates. and when you're studying candidates, there comes a momentum when you stare at them and say, is he lying or does he not know what he's talking about? >> or both! >> you're a professional. you've stared at this. >> was that man lying about bill clinton raising taxes? i think it's conceivable he actually has no idea, since his taxes has never gone up, he's