grown-ups in the room when it comes to major weapons systems. >> what are we spending too much money on? >> well, let me -- this is a long story, if you have time for it, i'm happy to go into it. when somebody gets an idea in the pentagon and they want to say, well, here's a new idea, they put out a cost plus contract on research. well, if you're on other side of that, you say, oh, yummy. you know? they want to do something, we'll do it, and they make good money. then the idea for a weapons system comes up. we start the development of a weapons system. and it's a cost plus contract. now you have 50 people saying what if we do this, what if we do this, what if we do this. there's no grown-up in the room to say the bells and whistles have to stop, guys. here's how much we can afford to spend to get to this technology. and because there's no grown-up or limit on what we -- innovation dries up and what we do is we suck the dollars out of