no matter what your height or weight as an american you have unique rights and responsibilities under our constitution and we want to honor life and honor people. we don't think that's irrational. >> i follow you very rational. don't question me. i follow your reasoning precisely. joan, following his reasoning that you're a person the moment after conception, if you use an iud you're a murderer. >> right. >> this is the language they use and they choose it. >> it's not just abortion. it's certain forms of birth control would be murder and it would be criminalized. you know, i'm pro-choice, i'm very much pro-family and pro-life and americans are divided on this issue, aument there is a majority of people who think abortion should be legal, at least in some circumstances. >> what about john mccain's statement yesterday? weren't you amazed for him to just drop that from the airplane to lighten the load bail basically? >> they are on a course to demographic extinction. they're losing women. they're losing latinos and asians and african-americans. they're losing young people.