has anyone been prosecuted for overclassifying information? >> yes. >> as far as i know, no. >> right. >> so that's another debate that i think has to happen. in terms of congress though, you know, i don't know that that will get people very far. from what i understand, congress has been pressuring the obama administration to crack down harder on leaks. >> yes. >> not to do less. >> they're jumping on top of each other. >> it's not just the administration, it's sort of the aftermath of wikileaks, congressional pressure which as far as i know is bipartisan. >> yes. >> i just think the elephant in the room here is the growth of government secrecy. that is really the issue. the question is what are -- particularly in the age of the unending war on terror, right? what do we as citizens have access to? there's been a massive growth of what is secret, and this has been well-documented. just the number of people that have access to classified information at 5 million people,